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		<title>By: nerd alert &#171; Read my shorts: why brain reading is baloney</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-95342</link>
		<dc:creator>nerd alert &#171; Read my shorts: why brain reading is baloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to demonstrate his innocence. The story was broken on March 14th by Emily Murphy in a Stanford blog post and Wired Science wrote it up two days later. Within a fortnight, the application to admit the MRI [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to demonstrate his innocence. The story was broken on March 14th by Emily Murphy in a Stanford blog post and Wired Science wrote it up two days later. Within a fortnight, the application to admit the MRI [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Can a brain scan prove innocence? &#124; True Stories of Law &#38; Order</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Can a brain scan prove innocence? &#124; True Stories of Law &#38; Order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Stanford Center for Law and the Biosciences, which broke the story, No Lie MRI stated the results &#8220;were consistent with the conclusion [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Stanford Center for Law and the Biosciences, which broke the story, No Lie MRI stated the results &#8220;were consistent with the conclusion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neural Correlates of Deception &#171; psychopathy101</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Neural Correlates of Deception &#171; psychopathy101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fMRI Can Prove Her Innocence Here  No Lie MRI being offered as evidence in court  (March, 2009)  Here   Truthiness? No Lie MRI Hits the Legal System  (March, 2009) Here  MRI Lie Detection to Get [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fMRI Can Prove Her Innocence Here  No Lie MRI being offered as evidence in court  (March, 2009)  Here   Truthiness? No Lie MRI Hits the Legal System  (March, 2009) Here  MRI Lie Detection to Get [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Request to admit No Lie MRI report in California case is withdrawn &#171; Stanford Center for Law &#38; the Biosciences Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Request to admit No Lie MRI report in California case is withdrawn &#171; Stanford Center for Law &#38; the Biosciences Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] About the Stanford Center for Law and the&#160;Biosciences        &#8592; No Lie MRI being offered as evidence in&#160;court [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] About the Stanford Center for Law and the&nbsp;Biosciences        &larr; No Lie MRI being offered as evidence in&nbsp;court [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Putting Your Brain on Trial &#124; North Carolina Journal of Law and Technology</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Putting Your Brain on Trial &#124; North Carolina Journal of Law and Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] case, the defense plans to try to increase the probability of admissibility of its fMRI evidence by limiting the relevant scientific community to only those who are developing fMRI lie detection technology.  This limitation is biased in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] case, the defense plans to try to increase the probability of admissibility of its fMRI evidence by limiting the relevant scientific community to only those who are developing fMRI lie detection technology.  This limitation is biased in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Two Malcontents &#187; MRI Lie Detection to Get First Day in Court</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>The Two Malcontents &#187; MRI Lie Detection to Get First Day in Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Emily Murphy, a behavioral neuroscientist at the Stanford Center for Law and the Biosciences who first reported on the fMRI evidence, the case is a child protection hearing to determine if the minor should stay in the home of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Emily Murphy, a behavioral neuroscientist at the Stanford Center for Law and the Biosciences who first reported on the fMRI evidence, the case is a child protection hearing to determine if the minor should stay in the home of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deception Blog / fMRI Lie Detection enters the courtroom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Deception Blog / fMRI Lie Detection enters the courtroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stanford Center for Law &amp; the Biosciences Blog, it appears, broke the story (14 Mar) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Truth Machine To Be Used As Court Evidence? &#124; Singularity Hub</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/lawandbiosciences/2009/03/14/no-lie-mri-being-offered-as-evidence-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Machine To Be Used As Court Evidence? &#124; Singularity Hub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lying with 100% accuracy.  Today we learn from The Stanford Center for Law &amp; the Biosciences Blog that an evaluation of a person&#8217;s truthfulness using NO Lie MRI&#8217;s truth detection [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lying with 100% accuracy.  Today we learn from The Stanford Center for Law &amp; the Biosciences Blog that an evaluation of a person&#8217;s truthfulness using NO Lie MRI&#8217;s truth detection [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Amy the admitted student again . Thanks for posting.

Teneille&#039;s second point, about expensive defense tactics and dependents, is such a good one -- I&#039;m curious to know what kinds of protections against this sort of thing exist. I can only imagine that the problem is going to get worse and the questions more complicated as technology grows and its uses are explored. Not having studied the legal side of any of this yet, I can&#039;t make a substantive suggestion -- all I can say is, we really  need to think about it and work on it ASAP.

I also wanted to add to the list of reasons why those who research and develop fMRI-based lie detection technology can&#039;t possibly constitute the relevant community. To my way of thinking, there is still some doubt about whether such a thing is theoretically possible in a form that would be reliable enough for this kind of use, let alone practically possible or happening in any meaningful way now -- so limiting the field to those who work on it fully excludes any voices who might think it could never happen, as they wouldn&#039;t be working in that field at all. Not only will the field likely be biased in favor of the technology at hand right now -- it categorically excludes a whole category of legitimate neuroscientific voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Amy the admitted student again . Thanks for posting.</p>
<p>Teneille&#8217;s second point, about expensive defense tactics and dependents, is such a good one &#8212; I&#8217;m curious to know what kinds of protections against this sort of thing exist. I can only imagine that the problem is going to get worse and the questions more complicated as technology grows and its uses are explored. Not having studied the legal side of any of this yet, I can&#8217;t make a substantive suggestion &#8212; all I can say is, we really  need to think about it and work on it ASAP.</p>
<p>I also wanted to add to the list of reasons why those who research and develop fMRI-based lie detection technology can&#8217;t possibly constitute the relevant community. To my way of thinking, there is still some doubt about whether such a thing is theoretically possible in a form that would be reliable enough for this kind of use, let alone practically possible or happening in any meaningful way now &#8212; so limiting the field to those who work on it fully excludes any voices who might think it could never happen, as they wouldn&#8217;t be working in that field at all. Not only will the field likely be biased in favor of the technology at hand right now &#8212; it categorically excludes a whole category of legitimate neuroscientific voices.</p>
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		<title>By: teneillebrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>teneillebrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the practical problem with the Kelly/Frye test.  Those offering the novel evidence will try to narrow the &quot;relevant scientific community&quot; to (who else?) themselves, to say that the evidence is generally accepted BY THEM.  Here&#039;s where I wish CA had something like the Michigan standard, which requires those speaking for the general acceptance of the novel technology to be disinterested.  Hopefully the judge will dig deeper and realize that even in the area of brain-based deception detection, the relevant scientific (non-commercial) community does not accept NoLieMRI&#039;s methodology (in so far as we can speculate as to what it is, based on their spotty report provided in the case above).

Aside from the evidentiary issues, I have a serious problem (that is not specific to this technology) with custodians using expensive defense tactics such as this against children and dependents.  Does the daughter (or the state) have access to similar resources?  While a similar argument could be raised for all types of razzle-dazzle evidence in trials, it seems particularly egregious in a child dependency hearing - and raises questions of distributive justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the practical problem with the Kelly/Frye test.  Those offering the novel evidence will try to narrow the &#8220;relevant scientific community&#8221; to (who else?) themselves, to say that the evidence is generally accepted BY THEM.  Here&#8217;s where I wish CA had something like the Michigan standard, which requires those speaking for the general acceptance of the novel technology to be disinterested.  Hopefully the judge will dig deeper and realize that even in the area of brain-based deception detection, the relevant scientific (non-commercial) community does not accept NoLieMRI&#8217;s methodology (in so far as we can speculate as to what it is, based on their spotty report provided in the case above).</p>
<p>Aside from the evidentiary issues, I have a serious problem (that is not specific to this technology) with custodians using expensive defense tactics such as this against children and dependents.  Does the daughter (or the state) have access to similar resources?  While a similar argument could be raised for all types of razzle-dazzle evidence in trials, it seems particularly egregious in a child dependency hearing &#8211; and raises questions of distributive justice.</p>
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